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Two Injured 12-Year-Olds Rescued from Malibu Cliff

Bicyclist Killed in Local Mountains

The identity of the victim is being withheld pending next of kin notification.

A bicyclist was killed Saturday as his bike veered off a road and fell down a ravine, according to authorities.

The apparent accident occurred shortly before 9 a.m. near the intersection of Stunt Road and Mulholland Highway in the Santa Monica Mountains south of Calabasas, California Highway Patrol Officer Ed Jacobs said.

"Our paramedics responded to the scene at 8:58 a.m.,'' said a L.A. County Fire Department dispatcher.

"The man's bike went off the road and down a ravine,'' the fire department dispatcher said. ''He died at the scene.''

The victim's identity was withheld pending notification of next of kin. He was in his 40s, according to the LA Times.

The cause of the crash remains under investigation by the CHP, Jacobs
said.

billdsd July 19, 2012 at 06:00 AM
Again, sorry but no. When I was young I drove fast and I never ran into anything but I got rear ended several times because driving fast leads to hard braking. After I got older and decided to driver slower, I stopped getting rear ended because I no longer do hard braking. Slow traffic does NOT result in rear end collisions. It simply doesn't. Your conjecture is flawed and not connected to reality. Rear end collisions are caused by driving too fast or following too close in conjunction with hard braking or sudden lane changes or occasionally from going too fast into a space in which the driver cannot see. If you go too fast into a space which you cannot see then you are in violation of the basic speed law, CVC 22350. It is not reasonable or prudent to go so fast that you cannot stop within the distance that you can see. That distance will vary with the weight of the vehicle and traction. It's up to you to know your vehicle and the road conditions. I've done plenty of driving on winding mountain roads (I used to ski a lot) and I have encountered disabled vehicles more than once. I wasn't even close to hitting them. Even when I was young and drove aggressively I had enough sense to not go around blind curves fast. My driver's education teacher made the part about disabled vehicles around blind curves very, very clear and I never forgot it. You're reaching for an excuse. You are not dealing in reality.
Quivering Fantods July 19, 2012 at 06:54 AM
bill, you didn't read my post correctly. My point was that by going well below the posted speed limit (as I often do on those blind turns), there is a very real risk that I'll get rear-ended by *someone else* (who is going the posted limit) coming up behind me on that blind curve. Unless the speed limit is dropped to, say 5 mph on some of those curves, it's just a reality of that road, and those drivers. Your experience on those ski roads may not translate to the specific conditions in the Santa Monica mountains. I've driven many ski-area roads myself, so I know a bit about those conditions. Please drop the snarky tone re: "reality". Unless you are in the driver seat on the roads in question, you aren't observing the reality those of us who frequent those roads are seeing. Your dismissive tone is not conducive to productive discourse, and is against the terms of this site. Cool it.
billdsd July 19, 2012 at 06:08 PM
Sorry but there is no other way to put it. You are dealing in rationalizing conjecture and not reality. I have been driving for 33 years and have driven well over a half million miles and it simply does not work the way that you describe. On a winding mountain road, the speed limit might be 35mph to 45mph. If you are going 25mph and the over taking driver is going 35mph, the speed differential is 10mph. To avoid a collision they don't have to slow from 35mph to 0mph. They only have to slow to 25mph, which is pretty easy. The same principle works with 45mph, though obviously they have to reduce speed by 20mph instead of 10mph. It's still easy. Furthermore, they will likely have seen you before you went around that corner so they will be expecting you to be there. They've been catching up to you for a while at 10-20mph. You don't appear out of nowhere.
David Huntsman July 19, 2012 at 09:28 PM
Quiv, when you point out that, by going well below the posted speed limit, you are likely to be rear-ended you are describing the problem exactly. What you are not clear about is what the posted speed limit means. It is not a speed below which you cannot get a ticket. It is the speed above which you can get a ticket virtually no-questions-asked The person who rear-ends you, when you are driving slower then the posted speed limit, is guilty of violating the ACTUAL speed limit which is the speed at which they would not have struck you (or even come close, really). That is California's "Basic Speed Law" under its vehicle code section 22350. That is the speed limit in effect. It reads: "No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property." Keep in mind that "traffic" includes bicycle riders and other "non-car" vehicles and animals.
Skip Nevell July 31, 2012 at 04:59 PM
Sean, amigo, think about it this way, por favor. I have ridden in the Santa Monica mountains on Stunt Road for more than fifty years. Thousands of riders have made uncountable descents of Stunt Road with no problem. One fatality, tragic as it is, does not make your case.

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